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Calamity Ganon - A Deconstruction of Villainy

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FatBrett

01 мая 2023

Erebus

5 часов назад

damn this got dated cause calamity ganon is simply gloom leaking from the depths and becoming malice

Rainbowcraft 2

6 часов назад

I've heard the "given up on reincarnation" thing is a mistranslation in the English version of the game.

Tracinya Slinger

7 часов назад

I feel like they probably gave up on the Ganon mystery because they've already pulled that trick way too many times. Everyone knows it's always Ganon already, so why even keep pretending? And there's been some criticism at Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword that they have a proxy-villain, before going "nope, surprise, it was Ganon all along, AGAIN".

Crystal_Kumiho

1 день назад

The Giving up on reincarnation was confirmed to be a mistranslation, I forgot what it was exactly, but it makes a lot more sense

Mr. Quick

1 день назад

With tears of the kingdom in mind I’m convinced this ganon is a different ganon and that these two games take place outside the timeline in general

Ian Oliver

1 день назад

I believe I heard somewhere that Zelda saying that “he has given up on reincarnation” was a mistranslation and she says something completely different in Japanese.

CrazyWeirdoRH

1 день назад

The English localization completely botched that “given up on reincarnation” line. Zelda was supposed to say that he was too stubborn to die essentially.

Lemon Shark

2 дня назад

That ganon gave up on reincarnation is just a misstranslation... in the original she says the oposite, that the form is born out of the refussal to give up on reincarnation

Tony Contereas

2 дня назад

The giving up on reincarnation part was a mistranslstion

Jerome Jor

2 дня назад

I skip that cutscene in 2017 don’t know why but I did and was better of that way in my opinion

Charlotte

2 дня назад

All these hopeful comments you made about TotK expanding Ganondorf's character, I feel so bad lmao

JTOH

2 дня назад

The totk memory’s made this video age like milk

Color Orb

3 дня назад

Zelda saying that Gannon has "given up on reincarnation" is actually a mistranslation! In the JP version, Zelda is actually saying the opposite: Gannon has reincarnated too many times yet refuses to give up. In other words, she's confirming your exact theory on how Gannon became Calamity Gannon!

I haven't played TOTK yet, so I don't know how they handle this big discrepancy in that game. (No spoilers pls tho)

TheOrangeBottleCap

3 дня назад

as of Tears of the Kingdom calamity ganon turned out to be less of "just a dude" but rather ganondorfs literal malice for everything thats occured over the millenia since demise's... demise given physical and mystical form due to his post sealing war body being still filled with intense and extreme amounts of power yet unable to expel anything in excess so it just leaks out like a leaky faucet or pipe
when his sealing sleep is disturbed tho he wakes up, fixes the leak, points the excess at a specific point and sends the castle up into the air
the malice turning into what gloom is in tears

like sure nintendo is building their stories off gameplay first but as a story teller and D&D dm who kinda does the same thing its understandable why they do it, so the story doesn't ruin the gameplay because the game had gameplay first instead of story first

so the story places actually dealing with ganon directly and not his minions or funky creatures is at the end, mans is an absolute unit tho
comparitive to his older depictions this is him at what i believe is his strongest since demise granted man had an insane power trip boost after finally getting a win for once prior to breath of the wild in lore during the pre-sealing war era up until he was sealed away which turned him into dry ganon that people just call "the mummy" for a while before he gets an actual name drop past cut scenes

also the whole "transforming into malice" bit was bunk, he never transformed
mans was just too angry to stay sealed away properly
he went from "the demon king" in the past in lore to an even more powerful demon king after stealing enough power to actually win absolutely

Justin Okraski

4 дня назад

Imagine an open world where he just randomly shows up and you are utterly helpless to beat him until you get the Master Sword. If you see him you have to just run. And he destroys things and structures that you’ve repaired. Eventually he starts razing settlements and killing people if you take too long, so there’s an accounting of your progression by who’s still around at the end of the game

Jake

4 дня назад

Demon souls also did a thing with its antagonist because as you play the game you actually do meet characters with personality and motivation. Once you make it to the end you choose an ending based on how those characters influenced you. Not only is there a mystery to solve but its about what that entity means to the characters of the game.

Loregamorl

4 дня назад

From what I know isnt the actual theme less being about "evil always losing" and moreso about the perpetual struggle between good and evil?
If one side wins (except a "temporary win" which is really just continuing things, or sealing away or all that stuff) then it would... logically be the end. I guess I see victories as more of a permanent thing, here it just seems to be setting the timer back or getting a few centuries of peace.

chickenhound

4 дня назад

Tears of the kingdom was a little better with the mystery with the whole plot line of where the fuck did the princess go

Also, on a side note with the princess mononoke stuff the development team actually outright admitted after people compared that original trailer that yes that was taken for inspiration for both that trailer and malice and link losing his hand in tears😅 😅😅

Liliflower137

4 дня назад

I may be misinformed but i was under the impression that this ganon is, essentially, the same one we see in ocarina of time and windwaker and so on

The phrasing used for him is always "resurrected" which to me implies the same man, brought back from the dead

Meanwhile zelda and link are reincarnated, new people with the same spirits

I always figured calamity ganon was the result of centuries the same man losing over and over and the accumulating more and more power, that is finally consumes him and his mind

Something about that interpretation has always been interesting to me. Having this character who may very well remember back to occarina of time, seeing the same green punk come at him again and again, even when the events of that game have faded to nothing more than a vague legend to everyone else

In occarina of time we know exactly where ganondorf came from, born of the gerudo, king of thieves, as far as I remember hes never given an origin in any other game he appears in. He's simply back.

Petre

4 дня назад

For my money, I think cutting Ganon down to his barest essentials was a geniuses writing choice for Breath of The Wild. Because the story isn't about him at all. Its about the effect he had on the world, the aftermath of him.
Breath of the wild is about what comes after a tragedy, and bogging it down with explaining the tragedy's own motivation would serve no purpose imo. I even thinks that if they made the opposite choice and had Link, Zelda and Champions loose a battle against just a guy, instead of an inevitable force of nature, the story would've been worse off for it. Because the way it is, makes their defeat feel unfair on an cosmic scale. And therefore their eventual comeback as an act of defiance against the cruel and uncaring universe.
I genuinely don't think we see this kind of story, done to this level of competence, often enough.
In real world a tsunami or an earthquake doesn't have a complex motive, but the tragedy it leaves in it's wake has carries a lot of complex emotions anyway.

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